one of them meacham mentioned -- jon mentioned the word followership. we've become much too cynical about government. people in the 1920s,1930s, 1880s were not confronted with magical great government but they had faith in it. now we think we're better than whoever it is that happens to be governing us. >> i want to pick up something david says. i don't have enough depth perception on this. i'll ask tom brokaw this. there does seem to have been a degree of lying in this election, just bald-faced lying that occasion add whole new industry of fact checking that i don't remember. and at this degree it seems to be a difference of degree that's a difference in kind. is that your consensus, tom brokaw? >> i have not done a -- what i would call a qualitative study but one of the things that happened, though, is that everyone is paying much more attention to whatever is said at any given moment it pops up on the internet and the bloggers are all over in the a heart beat so we have a greater awareness of it, tom. but there's always been-- to put it kindly-- a st